I just saw the (To Freetha) and no (To Sera) so I didn't realize you were waiting on an answer from me. My bad.
Iro wrote:
My thought, however, is that no matter how we slice it, the words come back to being abstractions created by observers to explain their observations - that is, they are dependent on observers, they represent an "anthropological" element (at least to the minds of humans; I lack an adjective to describe entities aware of both self and environment).
I agree. It is also worth repeating that with human minds and understandings currently we can only explain things so well in human terms.
Iro wrote:
If, however, we assume that there is existence and that existence isn't static, as we are in this discussion, then we are assuming the existence of energy. In such a reality, there need be no observers, though that wouldn't stop energy from existing. To this end, what makes this energy inherently ordered or chaotic?
To me, energy has those inherent qualities. I didn't create it, I didn't pattern it, I just deal with the product. Energy has many qualities, different ones to different people, but in my belief system if you remove all associations to said energy that are given to it by the worker/believer/individual/etc. chaos and order are the base attributes...the inherent qualities of that energy.
Why? I have no idea, but it's my understanding of things, belief, etc. It would be like asking something along the lines of "why does X element have X number of electrons in its outer shell?" I know/believe that it has that many, but why it has that many I don't know...I didn't create X element I just believe/know it exists and has that many electrons.
I hope I'm making sense.